Marrie Stone interviews Laurence Gonzales, author of Everyday Survival: Why Smart People Do Stupid Things and John Demos, author of The Enemy Within: 2,000 Years of Witch-hunting in the Western World.
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(Broadcast date: October 15, 2008)
a weekly radio program hosted by author Barbara DeMarco-Barrett and co-host Marrie Stone, on the art and business of writing. More on the show, writers, and writing at penonfire.com. Follow us on Twitter @WOWkuciFM and Facebook at Writers on Writing KUCI-FM.
Wednesday, December 31, 2008
Wednesday, December 24, 2008
"Writers on Writing" Holiday Show
Barbara DeMarco-Barrett and Marrie Stone are joined by The Green Room in a special Holiday episode of Writers on Writing. Enjoy music and readings by the cast and crew of the show.
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(Broadcast date: December 24, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: December 24, 2008)
Tuesday, December 23, 2008
Preeta Samarasan and Dan Ariely
Marrie Stone interviews Preeta Samarasan, author of Evening is the Whole Day and Dan Ariely, author of Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions.
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(Broadcast date: August 6, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: August 6, 2008)
Thursday, December 18, 2008
David Francis and Jon Fasman
Marrie Stone interviews David Francis, author of Stray Dog Winter and Jon Fasman, author of The Unpossessed City.
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(Broadcast date: December 3, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: December 3, 2008)
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
Wednesday, December 10, 2008
Linda Pastan, Martha Serpas and Lisa Williams
Marrie Stone moderates a poetry panel with Linda Pastan, author of Queen of a Rainy Country, Martha Serpas, author of The Dirty Side of the Storm, and Lisa Williams, author of Woman Reading to the Sea.
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(Broadcast date: November 5, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: November 5, 2008)
Monday, December 08, 2008
Stephen Baker and Padma Viswanathan
Marrie Stone interviews Stephen Baker, author of The Numerati and Padma Viswanathan, author of The Toss of a Lemon
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(Broadcast date: October 1, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: October 1, 2008)
Wednesday, December 03, 2008
Monday, December 01, 2008
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Robert Masello
Robert Masello, author of A Friend in the Business: Honest Advice for Anyone Trying to Break into Television Writing.
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(Broadcast date: Nov 09, 2000)
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(Broadcast date: Nov 09, 2000)
Thursday, November 20, 2008
Marvin Bell and John Morgan Wilson
Marvin Bell, author of Nightworks: Poems 1962-2000 and John Morgan Wilson, author of The Limits of Justice.
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(Broadcast date: Nov 02, 2000)
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(Broadcast date: Nov 02, 2000)
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Rochelle Krich and Dennis Palumbo
Rochelle Krich, author of Dead Air: A Jessie Drake Mystery and Dennis Palumbo, author of Writing From The Inside Out.
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(Broadcast date: Oct 26, 2000)
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(Broadcast date: Oct 26, 2000)
Thursday, November 13, 2008
Billy Collins
Poet Billy Collins, author of Questions About Angels: Poems.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 18, 2001)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 18, 2001)
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
Betsy Amster and Jackie Green
"Before and After The Book Deal" - Literary agent, Betsy Amster and book publicist, Jackie Green.
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(Broadcast date: Mar 23, 2000)
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(Broadcast date: Mar 23, 2000)
Thursday, November 06, 2008
Maxine O'Callaghan
Maxine O'Callaghan, author of Down for the Count: A Delilah West Novel.
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(Broadcast date: Dec 29, 1999)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 29, 1999)
Tuesday, November 04, 2008
Friday, October 31, 2008
Donald Maass
Literary agent Donald Maass, author of Writing the Breakout Novel.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 16, 2002)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 16, 2002)
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Irvine Welsh and Roxana Robinson
Marrie Stone interviews Irvine Welsh, author of Crime: A Novel and Roxana Robinson, author of Cost: A Novel.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 17, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 17, 2008)
Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Eric Weiner and Alan Weisman
Marrie Stone interviews Eric Weiner, author of The Geography of Bliss and Alan Weisman, author of The World Without Us.
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(Broadcast date: Aug 27, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Aug 27, 2008)
Wednesday, October 08, 2008
Steven Lukes and Sarah Lyall
Marrie Stone interviews Steven Lukes, author of Moral Relativism: Big Ideas/Small Books and Sarah Lyall, author of The Anglo Files: A Field Guide to the British.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 10, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 10, 2008)
Tuesday, October 07, 2008
Sarah Shun-Lien Bynum
Sarah Shun-Lien Bynum, author of the Ms. Hempel Chronicles.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 24, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 24, 2008)
Thursday, October 02, 2008
Dr. Michael Klaper
Dr. Michael Klaper, author of Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting a Healthy Plant-Based Diet.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 21, 2000)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 21, 2000)
Tuesday, September 30, 2008
Ken Kalfus
Ken Kalfus, author of Pu-239 And Other Russian Fantasies.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 13, 2000)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 13, 2000)
Thursday, September 25, 2008
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Thursday, September 11, 2008
Zoe Ferraris and Dennis Palumbo
Marrie Stone interviews Zoe Ferraris, author of Finding Nouf: A Novel and Dennis Palumbo, author From Crime to Crime.
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(Broadcast date: Aug 13, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Aug 13, 2008)
Tuesday, September 09, 2008
Amy Cohen, Kerry Cohen, and Martha Frankel
Memoir roundtable with Amy Cohen, author of The Late Bloomer's Revolution, Kerry Cohen, author of Loose Girl, and Martha Frankel, author of Hats & Eyeglasses.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 3, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 3, 2008)
Thursday, September 04, 2008
Tuesday, September 02, 2008
Thursday, August 28, 2008
Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Sandra Tsing Loh, Tina Tessina, Ruth Gendler, Liz Holzemer
Sandra Tsing Loh, author of Mother On Fire and a roundtable with Tina Tessina, author of Money, Sex, and Kids, Ruth Gendler, author of Notes on the Need for Beauty, and Liz Holzmer, author of Curveball.
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(Broadcast date: Aug 20, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Aug 20, 2008)
Thursday, August 21, 2008
Clarence Major
Clarence Major, author of Configurations: New & Selected Poems, 1958-1998.
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(Broadcast date: Feb 3, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Feb 3, 1998)
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
T. Jefferson Parker and Victor Infante
T. Jefferson Parker, author of Where Serpents Lie and Victor Infante, author of God's Country.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 02, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 02, 1998)
Thursday, August 14, 2008
Laurie Fox
Laurie Fox, author of My Sister from the Black Lagoon : A Novel of My Life.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 22, 1999)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 22, 1999)
Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Pat Broeske
Pat Broeske, co-author of Down at the End of Lonely Street: The Life and Death of Elvis Presley.
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(Broadcast date: Jun 10, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Jun 10, 1998)
Thursday, August 07, 2008
Tuesday, August 05, 2008
Patricia Guiver and Dani Shapiro
Patricia Guiver, author of Delilah Doolittle and The Careless Coyote and Dani Shapiro, author of Slow Motion: A True Story.
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(Broadcast date: Nov 25, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Nov 25, 1998)
Tuesday, July 29, 2008
Ron McLarty and Darin Straus
Ron McLarty, author of Art In America: A Novel and Darin Straus, author of More Than It Hurts You.
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(Broadcast date: Jul 16, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jul 16, 2008)
Thursday, July 24, 2008
Tuesday, July 22, 2008
DT Max and Saher Alam
Marrie Stone interviews DT Max, author of The Family That Couldn't Sleep and Saher Alam, author of The Groom to Have Been.
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(Broadcast date: Jul 09, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jul 09, 2008)
Thursday, July 17, 2008
Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Rondo Mieczkowski
Rondo Mieczkowski, screenwriter of Leather Jacket Love Story.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 9, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 9, 1998)
Tuesday, July 08, 2008
Michael Larsen and Elizabeth Pomada
Michael Larsen and Elizabeth Pomada of Larsen-Pomada Literary Agents.
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(Broadcast date: Sep 16, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Sep 16, 1998)
Friday, July 04, 2008
Orange Coast Magazine's Best of OC

It's a tad embarrassing (embarrassing because I'm more used to being behind the scenes. After all, no one can see you on radio), but some of you may be interested in this piece. (Scan to the bottom for the copy.) It's a nice mention by Orange Coast, which has become a readable magazine again, now that Marty Smith is back at the helm.
Photo credit: Bradley Meinz
Thursday, July 03, 2008
Robert Crais and Nancy Peacock
Robert Crais, author of Chasing Darkness and Nancy Peacock, author of A Broom of One's Own.
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(Broadcast date: Jun 02, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jun 02, 2008)
Tuesday, July 01, 2008
Sarah Bird, Cristina Garcia, and Kate Jacobs
Sarah Bird, author of How Perfect Is That, Cristina Garcia, author of A Handbook to Luck, and Kate Jacobs, author of Comfort Food.
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(Broadcast date: Jun 18, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jun 18, 2008)
Thursday, June 26, 2008
Laurie Harper
Laurie Harper, literary agent and author of Don Sherwood: The Life and Times of "The World's Greatest Disc Jockey".
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(Broadcast date: Dec 13, 2001)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 13, 2001)
Tuesday, June 24, 2008
Stacy Bierlein and Louise Erdrich
Stacy Bierlein, editor of A Stranger Among Us: Stories of Cross Cultural Collision and Connection and Louise Erdrich, author of The Plague of Doves.
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(Broadcast date: May 14, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: May 14, 2008)
Thursday, June 19, 2008
Rachel Fershleiser and Sally Gunning
Marrie Stone interviews Rachel Fershleiser, co-editor of Not Quite What I Was Planning and Sally Gunning, author of Bound: A Novel.
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(Broadcast date: May 21, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: May 21, 2008)
Tuesday, June 17, 2008
Chris Bohjalian and Alice Feiring
Chris Bohjalian, author of Skeletons at the Feast and Alice Feiring, author The Battle for Wine and Love.
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(Broadcast date: May 30, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: May 30, 2008)
Monday, June 16, 2008
David Benioff interview
A couple of weeks ago my co-host Marrie Stone interviewed author David Benioff on the show. Sadly, a broadcasting glitch not only prevented the show from being heard but also canceled out the option of podcasting it. Thanks to Marrie, an excerpt of the interview has been transcribed and posted on my Pen on Fire blog. Click here to read it.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Gary Phillips, Susan Straight, Naomi Hirahara
Noir-related discussion with Gary Phillips, Susan Straight, and Naomi Hirahara; contributers to the "Los Angeles Noir" short story anthology.
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(Broadcast date: Jun 11, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jun 11, 2008)
Tuesday, June 10, 2008
Naomi Epel
Naomi Epel, writer of The Observation Deck: A Tool Kit for Writers.
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(Broadcast date: Dec 09, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 09, 1998)
Noir on tomorrow's show
If you're on my e-list for the radio show, you've received this. If not....
Tomorrow, Weds. June 11, for the entire hour, we'll have three authors--Naomi Hirahara, Gary Phillips, and Susan Straight--talking about noir. I'm excited!
Naomi is the author of the Mas Arai mystery novels and the noir short story: "Number 19." Gary is the author of the Ivan Monk and Martha Chainey series, and a lot of short stories including the noir story "Roger Crumbler Considered His Shave." Susan is a novelist ("Highwire Moon" was a National Book Award nominee), and the noir short story: "The Golden Gopher," which won an Edgar. All three of the stories highlighted above are in the collection: "los angeles noir," published by Akashic Books.
Tune in at 9 a.m. Pacific at 88.9 FM KUCI or listen on iTunes. Eventually the show will be podcast and you'll find it here.
Tomorrow, Weds. June 11, for the entire hour, we'll have three authors--Naomi Hirahara, Gary Phillips, and Susan Straight--talking about noir. I'm excited!
Naomi is the author of the Mas Arai mystery novels and the noir short story: "Number 19." Gary is the author of the Ivan Monk and Martha Chainey series, and a lot of short stories including the noir story "Roger Crumbler Considered His Shave." Susan is a novelist ("Highwire Moon" was a National Book Award nominee), and the noir short story: "The Golden Gopher," which won an Edgar. All three of the stories highlighted above are in the collection: "los angeles noir," published by Akashic Books.
Tune in at 9 a.m. Pacific at 88.9 FM KUCI or listen on iTunes. Eventually the show will be podcast and you'll find it here.
Thursday, June 05, 2008
Lisa See
Lisa See, author of Flower Net: A Red Princess Mystery.
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(Broadcast date: Dec 16, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 16, 1998)
Tuesday, June 03, 2008
Keith Snyder
Keith Snyder, author of Coffin's Got the Dead Guy on the Inside.
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(Broadcast date: Oct 21, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Oct 21, 1998)
Thursday, May 29, 2008
Noreen Ayres
Noreen Ayres, author of Carcass Trade: A Smokey Brandon Mystery.
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(Broadcast date: Dec 30, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 30, 1998)
Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Friday, May 23, 2008
MJ Rose and Lillian Moats
MJ Rose, author of Lip Service and Lillian Moats, author of Legacy of Shadows.
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(Broadcast date: Feb 03, 2002)
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(Broadcast date: Feb 03, 2002)
Tuesday, May 20, 2008
Mary Roach and Cathleen Schine
Mary Roach, author of Bonk: The Curious Coupling of Science and Sex and Cathleen Schine, author of The New Yorkers: A Novel.
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(Broadcast date: May 7, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: May 7, 2008)
Thursday, May 15, 2008
Dennis McDougal
Journalist Dennis McDougal, author of writer Five Easy Decades: How Jack Nicholson Became the Biggest Movie Star in Modern Times.
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(Broadcast date: Mar 05, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Mar 05, 2008)
Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Charles Bock and Manil Suri
Marrie Stone interviews Charles Bock, author of Beautiful Children and Manil Suri, author of The Age of Shiva.
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(Broadcast date: Mar 26, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Mar 26, 2008)
Thursday, May 08, 2008
Charles Baxter and Marya Hornbacher
Charles Baxter, author of The Soul Thief and Marya Hornbacher, author of Madness: A Bipolar Life.
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(Broadcast date: Apr 02, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Apr 02, 2008)
Tuesday, May 06, 2008
Tobias Woolf and John Burnham Schwartz
Marrie Stone interviews short story writer Tobias Woolf and John Burnham Schwartz, author of The Commoner.
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(Broadcast date: Apr 23, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Apr 23, 2008)
Thursday, May 01, 2008
Elizabeth Berg
Elizabeth Berg, author of The Day I Ate Whatever I Wanted: And Other Small Acts of Liberation.
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(Broadcast date: Apr 30, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Apr 30, 2008)
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Mireille Guiliano and Theo Pauline Nestor
Mireille Guiliano, author of French Women Don't Get Fat and Theo Pauline Nestor, author of How to Sleep Alone in a King-Size Bed.
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(Broadcast date: April 16, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: April 16, 2008)
Thursday, April 24, 2008
Samantha Hunt and Stephen Snyder
Marrie Stone interviews Samantha Hunt, author of The Invention of Everything Else and translator Stephen Snyder.
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(Broadcast date: Mar 12, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Mar 12, 2008)
Thursday, April 17, 2008
Julie Smith
Mystery writer Julie Smith, author of 82 Desire (A Skip Langdon Novel).
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(Broadcast date: Nov 11, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Nov 11, 1998)
Tuesday, April 15, 2008
Arielle Eckstut
Arielle Eckstut, co-author of Pride and Promiscuity: The Lost Sex Scenes of Jane Austen.
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(Broadcast date: Nov 08, 2001)
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(Broadcast date: Nov 08, 2001)
Thursday, April 10, 2008
Eloise Klein-Healy
Poet Eloise Klein-Healy, author of Artemis in Echo Park.
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(Broadcast date: Nov 18, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Nov 18, 1998)
Thursday, March 27, 2008
Albert Zuckerman
Albert Zuckerman, literary agent and author of Writing the Blockbuster Novel.
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(Broadcast date: May 30, 2002)
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(Broadcast date: May 30, 2002)
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Melissa Fay Greene
Melissa Fay Greene, author of There Is No Me Without You: One Woman's Odyssey to Rescue Her Country's Children.
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(Broadcast date: Mar 19, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Mar 19, 2008)
Thursday, March 20, 2008
Louise Rafkin and Taylor Smith
Louise Rafkin, author of Other People's Dirt and Taylor Smith, author of Random Acts.
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(Broadcast date: Dec 02, 1998)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 02, 1998)
Tuesday, March 18, 2008
Philip Reed and Martin J. Smith
Philip Reed, author of Low Rider and Martin J. Smith, author of Shadow Image.
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(Broadcast date: Feb 10, 1999)
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(Broadcast date: Feb 10, 1999)
Wednesday, March 12, 2008
Margot Livesey and Victoria Strauss
Margot Livesey, author of The Missing World: A Novel and Victoria Strauss, author of The Garden of the Stone.
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(Broadcast date: unknown)
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Tuesday, March 04, 2008
Kate Jacobs and Lela Nargi
Kate Jacobs, author of The Friday Night Knitting Club and Lela Nargi, editor of Knitting Through It: Inspiring Stories for Times of Trouble.
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(Broadcast date: Feb 27, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Feb 27, 2008)
Thursday, February 28, 2008
Percival Everett and TJ Parsell
Barbara DeMarco-Barrett and co-host Marrie Stone interview Percival Everett, author of The Water Cure: A Novel and TJ Parsell, author of Fish: A Memoir of a Boy in a Man's Prison.
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(Broadcast Date: Dec 12, 2007)
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(Broadcast Date: Dec 12, 2007)
Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Molly Gloss and RM Kinder
Marrie Stone interviews Molly Gloss, author of The Hearts of Horses and RM Kinder, author of An Absolute Gentleman: A Novel.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 2008)
Thursday, February 21, 2008
Geraldine Brooks
Marrie Stone interviews Geraldine Brooks, author of People of the Book: A Novel.
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(Broadcast date: Feb-06-2008)
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(Broadcast date: Feb-06-2008)
Monday, February 18, 2008
Thursday, February 14, 2008
Shawn McBride and Melinda Hsu
Shawn McBride, author of Green Grass Grace: A Novel and screenwriter Melinda Hsu.
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Tuesday, February 12, 2008
Judith Thurman and Christina Baldwin
Marrie Stone interviews Judith Thurman, author of Cleopatra's Nose: 39 Varieties of Desire and Christina Baldwin, author of Storycatcher: Making Sense of Our Lives through the Power and Practice of Story.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 16, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 16, 2008)
Thursday, February 07, 2008
Gerald Stern and Aleida Rodriguez
Gerald Stern, author of Last Blue: Poems and Aleida Rodriguez, author of Garden of Exile.
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008
Tuesday, January 29, 2008
Thursday, January 24, 2008
Helen Oyeyemi and Gina Nahai
Marrie Stone interviews Helen Oyeyemi, author of The Opposite House and Gina Nahai, author of Caspian Rain.
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(Broadcast date: Nov 28, 2007)
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(Broadcast date: Nov 28, 2007)
Tuesday, January 22, 2008
John Truby and AJ Jacobs
Marrie Stone interviews John Truby, author of The Anatomy of Story and AJ Jacobs, author of The Year of Living Biblically.
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(Broadcast date: Dec 5, 2007)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 5, 2007)
Thursday, January 17, 2008
Harry Mount and Michael FitzGerald
Marrie Stone interviews Harry Mount, author of Carpe Diem: Put A Little Latin in Your Life and Michael A. FitzGerald, author of Radiant Days: A Novel.
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(Broadcast date: Dec 26, 2007)
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(Broadcast date: Dec 26, 2007)
Tuesday, January 15, 2008
Melissa Clark
Melissa Clark, co-author of The Skinny: How to Fit into Your Little Black Dress Forever.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 2, 2008)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 2, 2008)
Thursday, January 10, 2008
Tuesday, January 08, 2008
Barbara Seranella and Martha Lawrence
Barbara Seranella, author of Unwanted Company and Martha Lawrence, author of Aquarius Descending.
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(Broadcast date: Jan 27, 2000)
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(Broadcast date: Jan 27, 2000)
Thursday, January 03, 2008
Thomas Fox Averill
Thomas Fox Averill, author of Secrets of the Tsil Café.
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(Broadcast date: Apr 18, 2002)
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(Broadcast date: Apr 18, 2002)
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